Countdown to World War 3

[Anderson]

Compare this to airstrikes in Gaza which tend to leave a much larger crater and cause a lot more damage, they also almost always leave big deposits of concrete dust after striking a structure, though the construction of this particular hospital could be different.

I spent a while looking for an individual IAF airstrike on a singular structure, rather than broad/widespread devestation, and found this in lower resolution imagery. It shows the crater, but also the concrete dust cloud deposits that are around 30m from the impact site.

Also see this to show the scale of the structural damage and concrete dust.

Looking at the ratio between red and infrared bands shows a better view of the actual impacts through the smoke and concrete dust. This is Beit Hanoun near the Erez crossing. Absolutely unprecedented levels of bombardment, including of civilian

Next I want to address the claimed casualty count of 500+ killed, which seems widely inconsistent with the damage we can see. I am not doubting that civilians were killed, videos show the bodies collected in the hospital courtyard and I have no reason to doubt that.

It is also more than possible that there were many people in the area. And the casualties could be quite high, especially if people were out in the open and there was falling, burning fuel.

But 500's incredibly high number, honestly implausible. Overlaying the area of damage on Google Earth - keep in mind this is mostly from burning cars NOT the explosion - it is 228m2. This is that sort of crowd density (assuming there were no survivors which is also implausible).

In July 2016 a truck bomb in Baghdad killed ~350, this is the damage it did. In Oct 2017, a truck bomb in Mogadishu killed 500+, this is the damage it did. In Oct 2022, a truck bomb in Mogadishu killed ~125, this is the damage it did. Compare any of that to the above.

Full Credit to - https://twitter.com/Nrg8000

 

[Anderson]

The Saudi Government is still sticking with the ideal that it was Israel who attacked the Hospital, now making official condemnation.


View: https://x.com/PKurzin/status/1714575063100367127?s=20


View: https://x.com/PKurzin/status/1714575624495354105?s=20

 

[Anderson]

Statements Regarding the Targeting of Baptist Hospital in Gaza From Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad:

- The targeting of Baptist Hospital in Gaza was carried out with firepower that only Israel possesses. - Israel is trying to evade targeting the Baptist Hospital now. - Israel's claims about our responsibility for targeting the hospital are false and baseless. From the Palestinian Minister of Health: - Israel cannot evade responsibility for bombing Baptist Hospital in Gaza. - Israel is trying to justify its crimes and must be held accountable in criminal court.



View: https://x.com/MarioNawfal/status/1714578125617549713?s=20

 

[Anderson]

Statement from the UK Foreign Secretary,

Last night, too many jumped to conclusions about the tragic loss of life at Al Ahli hospital. Getting this wrong would put even more lives at risk. Wait for the facts, and report them clearly and accurately. Cool heads must prevail.


View: https://x.com/JamesCleverly/status/1714573399635140798?s=20

 

[Kangal]

I'm finding the Hamas casualty claims increasingly implausible.

 

[Anderson]

Last Night the other thread got highly excited when they posted a now-deleted tweet from whom they claimed was an IDF Spokeperson.

This person has now clarified his position,


View: https://x.com/HananyaNaftali/status/1714400598991261966?s=20



It should also be pointed out, that Naftali is a social media influencer and has nothing to do with the IDF beyond being a rank-and-file member.

The rise of Hananya Naftali, social media star and pro-Israel influencer - JNS.org

“When you’re 22 and the prime minister offers you a job, you don’t say no,” Naftali told JNS.

www.jns.org

 

[Anderson]

View: https://x.com/AuroraIntel/status/1714586379680731260?s=20

 

[Anderson]

View: https://x.com/SchmittNYC/status/1714586533343215635?s=20

 

[Tiger]

I am starting a new thread regarding the conflict between Israel and Hamas, the other thread is now being trolled by Anti Semites and I am no longer participating in that thread because some posters just want to attack Jewish people.

This thread will be anti-Semite-free, this does not mean of course you can't call out anything you think is wrong, however, you must be analyzing the evidence and not just post random links and images that just want to attack the Jewish people.


For anyone who wants to see some live streams of the events happening in the areas please see the links below,



View: https://youtu.be/7sZkQ0P46HI



View: https://youtu.be/dmVwH6UhZP8



View: https://youtu.be/IcPPJqKsTR8
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I replied to you on the other thread, but the same reply can be posted here as you continue to throw around the emotive term ‘anti-semites’

Many modern day Jews don’t actually have a Semitic bloodline and a little discussed fact is that Palestinians have a Semitic heritage. Arabic is a Semitic language and Palestinians, like other Arabs, share linguistic and cultural ties with other Semitic peoples in the Middle East.

Historically, the region that is now modern day Israel and the Palestinian Territories has been inhabited by various Semitic peoples for thousands of years. This includes Canaanites, Israelites, Phoenicians, and others, all of whom had Semitic roots. Over time, these populations mixed and evolved into different groups and many Palestinians can trace their heritage to these historical Semitic populations.

Neither Jews nor Palestinians can claim to be a monolithic group, and their ancestry is diverse

 

[Anderson]

I replied to you on the other thread, but the same reply can be posted here as you continue to throw around the emotive term ‘anti-semites’

Many modern day Jews don’t actually have a Semitic bloodline and a little discussed fact is that Palestinians have a Semitic heritage. Arabic is a Semitic language and Palestinians, like other Arabs, share linguistic and cultural ties with other Semitic peoples in the Middle East.

Historically, the region that is now modern day Israel and the Palestinian Territories has been inhabited by various Semitic peoples for thousands of years. This includes Canaanites, Israelites, Phoenicians, and others, all of whom had Semitic roots. Over time, these populations mixed and evolved into different groups and many Palestinians can trace their heritage to these historical Semitic populations.

Neither Jews nor Palestinians can claim to be a monolithic group, and their ancestry is diverse

antisemite

1. a person who is hostile to or prejudiced against Jewish people.
   "he was not just a bigot, but also an anti-Semite"

 

[Anderson]

Sensible Logic.


View: https://x.com/GBNEWS/status/1714587778216824901?s=20

 

[Anderson]

Very true, there certainly appears to be a bigger quietness this morning from the media, looks like they are rolling back now the evidence is showing no IDF involvement. Even our own Hamas supporters group on this site appeared very quiet this morning, yet so vocal last night.


View: https://x.com/LtColRichard/status/1714587192511599022?s=20

 

[Tiger]

antisemite

1. a person who is hostile to or prejudiced against Jewish people.
   "he was not just a bigot, but also an anti-Semite"

That’s what Israeli’s want that term to mean and what has been popularised ad naseum for the past 60 odd years, however it is an unscholarly definition which doesn’t stand up to examination.

 

[Anderson]

That’s what Israel and the world want that term to mean and what has been popularised as naseum for the past 60 odd years, however it is an unscholarly definition which doesn’t stand up to examination.

It's the term adopted by Governments around the world.

Short Version,

“Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”

Spoiler: Long Version

Manifestations might include the targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic. Antisemitism frequently charges Jews with conspiring to harm humanity, and it is often used to blame Jews for “why things go wrong.” It is expressed in speech, writing, visual forms and action, and employs sinister stereotypes and negative character traits.

Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to:

• Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
• Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
• Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
• Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
• Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
• Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
• Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
• Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
• Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
• Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
• Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.

Antisemitic acts are criminal when they are so defined by law (for example, denial of the Holocaust or distribution of antisemitic materials in some countries).

Criminal acts are antisemitic when the targets of attacks, whether they are people or property – such as buildings, schools, places of worship and cemeteries – are selected because they are, or are perceived to be, Jewish or linked to Jews.

Antisemitic discrimination is the denial to Jews of opportunities or services available to others and is illegal in many countries.

What is antisemitism?

With the IHRA working definition of antisemitism, the IHRA built international consensus around an answer to the question, what does antisemitism mean?

www.holocaustremembrance.com

 

[Tiger]

It's the term adopted by Governments around the world.

Short Version,

“Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”

Spoiler: Long Version

Manifestations might include the targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic. Antisemitism frequently charges Jews with conspiring to harm humanity, and it is often used to blame Jews for “why things go wrong.” It is expressed in speech, writing, visual forms and action, and employs sinister stereotypes and negative character traits.

Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to:

• Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
• Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
• Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
• Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
• Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
• Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
• Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
• Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
• Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
• Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
• Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.

Antisemitic acts are criminal when they are so defined by law (for example, denial of the Holocaust or distribution of antisemitic materials in some countries).

Criminal acts are antisemitic when the targets of attacks, whether they are people or property – such as buildings, schools, places of worship and cemeteries – are selected because they are, or are perceived to be, Jewish or linked to Jews.

Antisemitic discrimination is the denial to Jews of opportunities or services available to others and is illegal in many countries.

What is antisemitism?

With the IHRA working definition of antisemitism, the IHRA built international consensus around an answer to the question, what does antisemitism mean?

www.holocaustremembrance.com

Covid jabs and gender ideology have been adopted by ‘governments around the world’. It still doesn’t make it legit.

It’s a purposefully chosen adjective to give Jews and other Jewish converts of European heritage some sort of claim in the Middle East. Why not simply say ‘anti-Jewish’, which would be both clearer and more apt in terms of capturing the diverse origins of modern day Jews.

It is a fact that Palestinians have Semitic heritage, so the term should have no meaning in this conflict.

 

[Anderson]

Covid jabs and gender ideology have been adopted by ‘governments around the world’. It still doesn’t make it legit.

It’s a purposefully chosen adjective to give Jews and other Jewish converts of European heritage some sort of claim in the Middle East. Why not simply say ‘anti-Jewish’, which would be both clearer and more apt in terms of capturing the diverse origins of modern day Jews.

It is a fact that Palestinians have Semitic heritage, so the term should have no meaning in this conflict.

It does not matter what you think, you are just 1 person.

What matters are the laws of this country and every other country, they have adopted the definition of what Antisemite is, thus you have to follow the law and abide by it.

 

[Anderson]

I think this needs to be pointed out again,

Very little damage to the hospital, so non oxygen tank explosions are some claim.

 

[Anderson]

Actual video proof and some still want to blame " The Jews"



View: https://twitter.com/i/status/1714594732167295358

 

[Tiger]

It does not matter what you think, you are just 1 person.

What matters are the laws of this country and every other country, they have adopted the definition of what Antisemite is, thus you have to follow the law and abide by it.

The who in the whatnow?

The law? What hell are you going on about?

I’m talking about what the actual meaning of the word is and how academically inaccurate and inappropriate it is to use in this particular context and conflict.

It’s like using the term ‘anti-Irish’ in relation to a conflict between people from Kerry and Galway. It makes no sense.

 

[Anderson]

The who in the whatnow?

The law? What hell are you going on about?

I’m talking about what the actual meaning of the word and how academically inaccurate and inappropriate it is to use in this particular context and conflict.

It’s like using the term ‘anti-Irish’ in relation to a conflict between people from Kerry and Galway. It makes no sense.

Well go start a thread on the DNA of the Jewish people, The facts are, Antisemite is the term given to those who attack Jewish people. You may not like it, hell you are even entitled to your view, but that is the meaning of the term and that meaning is adopted by most countries around the world.

Now, if you want to discuss this further, start your own thread, I am using the term in the correct legal manner and that is that.

This thread is to discuss the conflict, not the DNA of people.